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Raw scans and “ColorNeg”

Filed in Scanning - August 22, 2007

This is very much via Doug Plummer. Until his post (as linked), I hadn’t heard of ColorNeg, but serendipitous coincidence that it was, I was just considering running some scans as raw scans (i.e. you save a tiff file of the pure scan data without any curves or adjustments, and it looks much like an unadjusted raw file – all dark and bunched to the left of the histogram), as the next step in my understanding of what a scanner does, when Doug made his post about a Photoshop plugin that is specifically designed to deal with raw scans and invert and convert them for onward processing.

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As you might guess from its name, it is primarly designed for colour negatives, but I can report that it works fine for mono negs as well. In fact, I can report that it works fine, full stop. Oh, except that the documentation is a bit dense.

But why would you want to do this? Firstly there is the thought that scanners are designed for positive materials and the implementation of negative scanning was always a bit of an afterthought (and with this methodology you are treating the negative as a positive during the scan). This may or may not be true. Secondly there is the observation that scanners do very little that can be varied and that scanner software is simply doing a series of curves and adjustments on top of the raw scan before export. Scanner software is, on the whole, less well written than Photoshop. Thirdly there is the practical issue that if you save a raw scan then the negative doesn’t need to ever be rescanned short of a breakthrough in scanner hardware. Changing your mind about what the picture should look like simply means reopening the raw scan file. And finally, my practical experience of looking at lots of 35mm mono negative scans and being less and less happy with the tonal performance of my scanner and wondering whether it was truly the scanner or not.

I’ve spent several hours this evening with ColorNeg (I wish it had a better name), and have done a number of back to back scans using my previous methodology. My initial observations are:

- that it would be a lot easier to learn to use ColorNeg that any of the scanner software that I’ve used for a beginner (despite the documentation),

- that none of the scans that I’ve done using the ColorNeg technique was worse than my previous methodology,

- that one (the pic shown above) was much better,

- that I appear to have been right in suspecting the curves applied by Silverfast for my film type are emphasising the grainy look, and

- the process of scanning is a lot easier the ColorNeg way.

In the sample pic, the brighter sleeve was clipping on my previous methodology. Determining whether that was a problem with the negative, the scanner, or the profile would have absorbed quite a lot of time. However, a quick look at the raw scan showed detail, so it was an easy matter to do the inversion and avoid the clip. Also the skin tones on the arm are cleaner in the raw scan version than the Silverfast profile was making them look.

I’ve still got some stuff to work out – for example, when is it best to associate a colour space with the file – and there is lots to learn about the fine control within the inversion/conversion routine, but unless I hit a big snag over the coming days, this looks like the way I’ll be scanning in the future.

One final thought. Although the maths is beyond me, the ColorNeg site contains some interesting information on why the ‘invert’ routine in Photoshop doesn’t do a good job with negatives (I’ve never really understood why people recommend scanning a neg as a positive and then inverting in Photoshop, because I’ve never liked the results). There is also a thread here on the Lightzone forums that has more information.

ColorNeg – recommended for mono :-)

(For info: I was using VueScan to scan the raw files, simply because I knew how to do it. If you don’t, follow the instructions on the ColorNeg site. There are instructions for HP, Nikon, Minolta, and Imacon scan software in addition to VueScan).

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10 Comments

  1. tim atherton says:

    are you using the “simplified” version

    (I think that’s ColorNeg?)

    or the original (which is a bit like it is vuescans sibling in terms of confusing interface) – which is NegPos?

    If you can figure out what you are doing, NegPos is in some ways much more flexible for B&W

    I think you can still get NegPos from him and that it works with the same serial number?

    August 23, 2007 @ 4:31 am

  2. Doug Plummer says:

    Glad you were able to riff off of my post. I have no idea how I found out about the CF plugins, but he’s an amazing technician that doesn’t deserve his obscurity. If you think the ColorNeg documentation is opaque, wait until you look at his Color Integrity explanation. I have no idea whatsoever what he’s talking about, but it seems so urgent and crucial.

    August 23, 2007 @ 4:52 am

  3. Colin says:

    Tim,

    ‘ColorNeg’. That’s why I called it that.

    NegPos is no longer mentioned on the download page, although there are plenty of Google references to it. Anyway, it wouldn’t be Mac.

    As for complexity. Who needs it? The controls in ‘ColorNeg’ do enough (given the global, not local, context).

    August 23, 2007 @ 8:22 am

  4. Colin says:

    Doug,

    I did dip into the Color Integrity thing and came away thinking ‘I’ll just stick to mono for now’ :-)

    Thanks for the heads up.

    August 23, 2007 @ 8:24 am

  5. Oren Grad says:

    I wasn’t aware of ColorNeg – thanks, Doug and Colin! – and downloaded the demo to see whether it would be an easy way of resolving color balance issues with my color negative scans.

    No, alas. Its default behavior is to blow out the highlights in the conversion. No doubt there’s a way to make it work, but after an extended bout of tinkering last night I haven’t figured it out yet.

    Easy fix? With scanner software? I should know better by now…

    August 23, 2007 @ 2:56 pm

  6. Gordon Coale says:

    Thanks again! I tried ColorNeg a while back on my Epson 2450. I was scanning with SilverFast 6 AI. I thought I had turned everything off and was getting a linear scan. Maybe. Maybe not. I’ve converting some troublesome old family b&W negatives with ColorNeg. I scanned with the Epson software, on a V700, and seemed to get a good linear scan. WOW! Say goodby to those blocked up highlights. I did some color and it seemed to work well. More testing to come.

    August 24, 2007 @ 3:58 am

  7. Paul says:

    Thanks for the short introduction to raw scans. I had seen the term used on the Vuescan site but couldn’t figure out what it meant.
    I’m surprised though that you haven’t gotten better results scanning negatives as positives. I get cleaner and smoother scans doing this on both my flatbed and my film scanner. Interesting.
    Looking forward to more scanning posts.

    August 25, 2007 @ 7:19 pm

  8. Sam Murphy says:

    Colin,

    What settings are you using in ColorNeg? What film type etc? Have you delved into anything beyond the default conversion?

    Thanks,

    Sam.

    October 6, 2007 @ 11:58 am

  9. Colin says:

    Sam,

    I have a draft post about this for publication in a couple of days time (I still need to check over a few things). But the short answer is that I have customised ColorNeg quite a lot to get it to do what I want it to do.

    October 6, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

  10. Bob says:

    Thanks for the great info on ColorNeg. I’ve played around with the ColorPos plugin (DSLR captures) and the results are superb – much better color than I get with curves). So I am hopeful that ColorNeg will prove useful as I embark on scanning my father’s negs.

    May 20, 2008 @ 10:01 am

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